LACAC Municipal Heritage Committee
June 24/04 Report
12 noon

Present:

Diane Dent, Chair, A. Charlton, Vice Chair
Councillors: M. Pearson, B. McHattie
Members: W. Buchko, A. Denham, S. Wray, R. Mckee, D. Reid. B. Hoekstra, B. Murray

Regrets: A. French
Absent: J. Feswick

Guests: B. Manganelli (HHS), K. Coit and K. Daniels (Ministry of Culture), Students-Zack Horn and Aaron Pingree from Flamborough Archives.

Also Present:
Representing Planning and Development, D. Cuming, S. Barber, J. Muller, A. Brown
Representing Culture and Recreation: H. Wroblewski
City Clerk: A. Rawlings

Call to Order/Chair - Diane Dent

1. Declarations of Interest:

A . Denham ( committee member ) see attached agenda. Has an interest regarding 52 James St. Her employer has a contract with this builder.

2. UPDATE - ENDANGERED BUILDINGS:

D = Designated
L= Listed on the M. H. Committee list
NL= no status
NHS = National Historic Site

VICTORIA HALL, Hamilton ; (NHS, D) Barbara Murray reporting:

BOOK HOUSES, Ancaster;- A. Charlton reporting:--- Not heard by transciber.
Brian McHattie wiil bring forward additional information, next meeting.

TREBLE HALL, John St. N., Hamilton. (L) not D. Reid; reporting:
Paul Wison recenly wrote an article in the Spectator regarding Treble Hall.
Donna will be speaking to the present owner and report back to Committee.

RED HILL CREEK EXPRESSWAY: (ND) - B. Hoekstra
Correction made - should be listed as Red Hill Valley not Expressway. No update.

Question followed here re:what does ND mean, According to speaker, it means it has been Listed, but not Designated. When speaking of a cultural landscape the speaker was leary of a designation of Listed and the Not Designated rating.

LISTER BLOCK, James St. N. : (D): D. Dent reporting:(please see attachment)
Diane Dent and David Cuming (City employee member) co-partnering on this site with other agencies. Matt Jelly has been invited to attend at the next meeting July 22nd, 2004 in Rm. 110, City Hall at the regular meeting time of 12:00 p. m. to give us some added information regarding this building. Matt Jelly, a young man who ran for Mayor last Fall, and has taken a serious interest in the future of this site on James St. N. that has been vacant for some time. Brian McHattie, Ward 1 Councillor and on this Committee representing the City was to meet Mr. Jelly at 2:00 pm June 24th, 2004 to discuss the Lister Block. Diane Dent (Chair) has met with Mr. Joe Mancenelli (LIUNA) . " The mayor has an interest."

AUCHMAR, Fennell Ave. W. : (D) Hank Wreblowski reporting:
Copy of the license of Global and Fireworks Entertainment reviewed. Third and final season, stating fiscal problems. Will use Auchmar as a storage facility costing them around $ 1,300.00 for utilities. $7,000.00 cost for shooting part of series in the Coach House. Not the projected $47,000.00, actually $47,288.00 specifically designated. The series being-----------------------------.

Repairs to building:- Bay windows on the S. W. side need repairing. Rodents have been an issue, but they've been removed. Chimney needs rebuilding. Asbestos issues . We had an increase in use of utilities, but ongoing struggle with money.

Doors Open:
Grounds can be cleaned up by volunteers, and they can sign a waiver. May need to speak to Legal Dept. Regarding this issue.

HAMILTON CITY HALL: (ND): D. Cumming reporting: J. Feswick(absent) No update at this time.

BANK of MONTREAL, James St., S. (D) :Robin McKee
Letter to be drafted providing correct information to Communications group re: restoration and the stage this building is at presently.

SMART-TURNER BUILDING, Barton St. E. (ND, L) :
Presention given by Beth Manganelli of Hamilton Health Sciences Re: their ownership of, and issues surrounding this building. Some of the issues raised on this property were:

The date when the HHS bought building? The state of the building at time of purchase?

How much land needed by HHS? Will it be site secure? Environmental concerns ?

Heritage designation? CN spur-line next door.

S.W. section of roof - huge hole. No repairs have been done since HHS purchased last year.

City Heritage info provided with the Attachment to Minutes-please read, as requested by D. Reid and R. McKee. Further research is only done at point of puchase. May need formal assessment over next year.

CARNEGIE GALLERY, King St., Dundas (D):
S. Wray asked if her name could be removed from the updates of the Gallery, did the initial report only. The Chair, D. Dent stated that an information package be sent to Council. Many issues regarding the urgency of preserving its structure., stated by D. Cuming. Presently, well used for Art Displays, and various public/business meetings.

Motion made by B. McHattie to send information to Council. Seconded by B. Hoekstra

Recommended by Barb Hoekstra to add to next month's Agenda.

also discussed that individuals could write letters on behalf of the preservation of the Gallery.

A public meeting in Dundas will be coming up soon to address this issue.

MEMORIAL HALL, Waterdown. (ND) S. Wray reporting:

Building has been he corner stone of activity for many years in Waterdown . The centre for Little Theatre, and the annual Hallowe'en Fest, and various other local activities.

Motion made by S. Wray to bring forward reasons to designate Memorial Hall/remove from the Endangered List. Seconded by W. Buchko.

HAMILTON LACAC

Municipal Heritage Committee:D. Reid/B. McHattie reporting:(See minutes)

1. Send a letter to Council -re: idea of partnering for adaptive re-use of building.

2. That the Committee send a letter endorsing this to the Hamilton Spectator.

Donna made a motion to write a letter "to educate and advise" publicly this issue.

Seconded by Brian McHattie.

3. 0 PRESENTATIONS :

Several presentations were made some of them have already been discussed:

See Beth Manganelli from the Hamilton Health Sciences on the Smart-Turner Bldg.

Two young Summer Students were introduced by Sylvia Wray: Ian Pingree and Zeth Horn -

The students have produced some very useful data. Ian looked at homes in East Flamborough, their functions, status, and compiled an inventory of these in and around Carlisle. Zeth looked at cemetries and is completing an inventory of all 120, private, and religious. Sylvia will provide copies when completed. Maria Pearson asked numerous questions of students. The Chair, D. Dent praised the students highly for their work, and said she would be happy to recommend them highly in their future endeavours.

4. 0 MINUTES : Reviewed from June 22nd, 2004.

4. 1 Municipal Heritage Comm. meeting, May 27th, 2004. -please see attachment:

R. Mckee stated that, " the Municipal Heritage Committee is a title change not a name change, never has been a name change. " Reference on page (2) 2. 4- ammendments and page( 8)

9. 3 Give a letter to Hamilton Historical Board in support of Hamilton LACAC. Page (3) 3. 1 new bi-law - we do need a new bi-law.

B. Murray stated needed 5 people to make a committment.

Ministry of Culture to be contacted.

6. 2. 2 corrections -The MAYOR accepted to be present for the awardsat City Hall . Reference omitted to Anne Charlton, Vice Chair taking over after Chair had to leave for other engagement. Page( 4) - 6. 2. 4 Hamilton LACAC, we should note upper case, lower case-current name, HAMILTON LACAC-Municipal Heritage Committee.

Motion to approve minutes-

Moved by Diane Dent

Seconded by Maria Pearson.

4. 2 BUSINESS ARISING from MINUTES :

4. 2. 1 Potting Shed-St. Joseph's Hamilton Mountain Site-verbal report, D. Cuming:

A recorded statement from Mina Chappel regarding demolition permit- had demolition permit been given, "yes, not legally bound to do this after building demolished. "-- Remaining statement unheard.

4. 2. 2 CATCH -Tape Recording : Secretary, A. Rawlings will contact D. Beck and obtain written opinion on this subject. Awaiting reply.

4. 2. 3 Committee Minutes/Agendas - decision to be made as to whether Minutes/Agendas should be put on the City's Web site. Presently, Agenda's given out upon request". How much interest and benefit", D. Beck. A concern for accuracy also mentioned.

See Attached re: outcome of discussion at this time.

4. 2. 4 Carnegie Gallery and Memorial Hall: Previously discussed.

4. 2. 5 Visioning Exercise: D. Dent, Chair stated that meeting together as a group to discuss"how we develop. Our strengths our weaknesses, how to make change. "Second Visioning meeting-goals for meeting, goals for LACAC.

Alexandra Rawlings noted that "meeting rooms around here are at a premium. "Barb thanked Alexandra for arranging meeting rooms, and mentioned how in a previous meeting Karen was a facillitator and used a Flip Chart.

5. 0 APPLICATIONS for HERITAGE:

73 MelvilleSt. discussed. Looking for Heritage Designation. Mr. Ken Coit (Architect).

Application of refurbishment to strip 4 tin ceilings etc.,

Window" treatment" rather than" restoration''suggested by B. McHattie suggesting that "the windows be copied for accuracy so that five years down the road they won't need a building permit, and find out that the windows are not historically correct. "

6. 0 REQUESTS for DESIGNATION ;See attachment -S. Barber

6. 1 466 Mowawk Road West, Hamilton;ND only 3 of the 12 designation criteria approved, therefore this farm house not accepted.

Motion made that report be tabled until B. Hoekstra reports back on upcoming conference.

Seconded by M. Peason.

6. 2 957 Governor's Rd. Dundas

Staff recommendation to designate 957 Gov. RD be approved.

Motion moved by M. Pearson, seconded by A. Charlton.

D. Reid left meeting at 1pm.

7. SUB COMMITTEE REPORTS

7. 1 Public Relations Sub Committee-D Reid to begin after June 1/04

Discussion on role/mandate/ responsiblities was tabled until next meeting.

7. 2 Joint Plaquing Sub Committee- no attachment, no report.

7. 3 Heritage Permit Review Sub Committee-A. Charlton-no attachment, no report.

7. 4 Inventory Sub Committee-S. Wray-no attachment, no report.

7. 5 Educaton Sub Committee-overiew of work done, D. Reid.

Education Committee people would love to partner with our committee, Walter, Diane, and Donna involved. (Rest of disscussion unheard by transcriber)

8. 0 OTHER BUSINESS FOR DISCUSSION

8. 1 80 Markland Street Hamilton (memo attached)

Severance-on new building (disscussion) minor landscaping not mentioned.

Additional landscaping plans for 81 Markland be approved subject to their review by the Heritage Report Review Sub Committee and the Committee's satisfaction with the details.

Site plan review of material approved for the application---remainder unrecorded by transcriber.

Emergency meeting can be called for decision on next steps.

Moved by M. Pearson and B. Murray.

8. 2 Diane Dent has concerns about site plan, St. Marks Church.

9. For the Information of the Committee:

9. 1 Division Restructuring-David Cuming gave a report "there has been a restructure, (B. Janseen

new member to staff at City Hall), to provide same and better services, development and long range planning, help us with Downtown, new Director Tim McCabe will see City needs to be more proactive in designation with or without owners approval"---remainder unrecorded by transcriber.

9. 2 Distribution of Hamilton's Heritage Vol. 5- Reasons for Designation under part IV of the Ontario Heritage Act

M. Pearson and B. Hoekstra moved and seconded that J. Muller and A. Brown(student), and D. Cuming be thanked for their work on Volume 5.

9. 3 GIS LAYER MAPPING of all Heritage Properties:

"On internet and good information, thanks to all. "D. Dent.

9. 4 PLAQUING PROGRAMME:

9. 4. 1

D. Dent explained process, and asked members to bring comments to next meeting. R. McKee is on the Joint Plaquing Comm. on the Historical Board. A question arose about what happens to a plaque when the plaqued building is demolished i. e. Strathcona, and Bellevue. Moved by M. Pearson and seconded by S. Wray.

9. 5 MINUTES:

9. 5. 1 R. McKee -no report given at this time.

9. 5. 2 Dundas CHAP -J. Feswick no report given(away). Discussion ensued on a variety of issues. Unrecorded.

10. 0 ADJOURNMENT: at 2:35 p. m. Next meeting July 22nd, 2004.